so it's hard to see the global economy breaking out of the slow to modest growth environment. interest rates we think will stay pretty low. that overall is a reasonably attractive back drop for companies to deliver okay earnings growth. and so we can take earnings disappointments as long as it's minor. but as you say, it is a gdp and an earnings cliff, then we return to late '07/'08 type markets. we don't think it's going to happen, though. >> jonathan, it's ross here. what would you describe as okay earnings growth? >> well, i mean, okay in the context of the last six to nine months has been earnings estimates coming down week after week after week after week. the aggregate impact of that, though, is that european earnings growth expectations for 2012, remember those numbers are not finalized until we see the full years coming in the first part of this year. analyst expectations started last year around plus 10% and then our minus 3%. that's quite a big shift down when you put that into context of what we saw in 2008 where the earnings estimates went from plus 20 to minus 50%